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this sunday, are we seeing the rebirth of the dump trump movement? sinking poll numbers, and comments like this, linking president obama to isis. >> he doesn't get it or he gets it better than anyone understands, oe or t other. >> i'm not going to be commenting on the presidential candidate today. >> the last thing i would do is tellnybody to doomething that contrary to their conscience. plus trump reacts to ryan.
a one-on-one with donald trump from the campaign trail. and could the horror of orlando change the national debate on guns? attorney general loretta lynch is here on that this morningnd the latest on what the shooter told hostage negotiators during e siege. and joining me for insight and analysi, markalperin, again ifill. and jose diaz ballart. welme to sunday, it's "meet the press." >> narrator: from nbc news in washington, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sunday morning and happy father's day to all fathers out there. the dump trump movement has sprung back to life. why? just look at what ee's happened
the past week. in the wake of orlando, trump's congratulatory tweeting. item two, survey monkey poll among other polls is showing a sharp trend towards hillary clinton. item three, right now while trump is campaigning in states that haven't voted democratic in at least a generation, hillary clinton is conducting an advertising blitz. but don't worry, trump says, he hasn't started the general election campaign. and paul ryan essentially is givg senate republicans a permission slip to run away from trump if they have to. all of this is inspiring talk among jittery republicans of yet
another last ditch effort to prevent trump from becoming the official nominee. >> you have a couple of guys that were badly defeated and they're trying to organize, maybe like a little bit of a delegate revolt, maybe. >> reporter: trump has a message for republicans paniing about the polls. he plans to stop his self-inflicted wounds his way. >> in the wake of the orlando massacre, trump stepped up his call for a temporary ban on muslims, and stoked a conspiracy theory. accordinto one poll, 70% of americans n view trump unfavorably, as do a full third of republicans. republican leaders challenged to defend their nominee are now
responding with a deafening silence. >> i just want to run out the clock re. welcome to our rl >> reporter: so could a stop trump effort turn into a conventiocoup, and if so how? >> if the pollingn the sena contested races starts dropping r the republican candite, that could cause a panic amo all the elected officials not named donald trump. >> kendall unruh, a democratic rules committee member has circulated a conscious clause that she plans to introduce. >> the delegates have always had the right to consciee and the ability to unbind themselves. so i say we have the kryptonite, we have the power to be able to unbind, but we were told it was just a hunk of glss. >> t alternative, unbind the
delegates or win a supermajority on the first ballot. the alternative iunear. no challenger has stepped up. >> who are they going to ck? i beat everybod not only beat, i beat the hell out of them. >> i sat down with the speaker of the house paul ryan about his dilemma. >> well, first of all, i feel like i have certain responsibilities, as not just congressman paul ryan, but as speaker of the house. and imagine the speaker of the house not supporting the dy elected nominee of our party. therefore creating a chasm in our partyo split us in half, the last thing i wan to see happen is anothe democrat in the white house, i don't want to see hillary clinton as president. i want to s a strong majority inhe house and the senate. and i think the way to achieve
those goals is having a unified party. if something is done that i don'tgree wh that puts a bad label on conservatism, i'm going to speak out on it. >>ou just made a case of the party? >> i don't think hillary clinton doesn't agree with any of the conservative reforms we -- i have spoken about our conservative agenda and the policies we need to put in place in order to savehe country and we have more cmmon ground than any other thing. that is why i'moting for our nominee >> why do you trust him? because you've asked him toon things down, you've asked him to reconsider somehings and then youear so-and-so did reassure you in private that he wou
possiy back off the muslim began and then h goes right along with it. he even accused is president of treason. >> i have heard about it. i'm a little bus so i don't read everything he saysvery day. one thing i know for certain, is that hilly clion i going to continue taking the country in the wrong generation, she's ingto make a choice for the sureme court which is a bad one. we have more common gou than not. there are things he's said they don't agr with, there are policies he's pursuing that i don't agree with. we will litigate the things in efuture. >> you do have a point there wher if he run this is way and loses, he stains the republican party? suddenly not only do you lose the white house, but you've got to explain your support for him and a lot of other people have to explain why the party went to him and it was a disaster.
>> who went to him? he won the election. the voters picked him. he beat ted cruz and marco rubio and jeb b and everybody else in ohio and wisconsin and all the rest of the country and - he won the election, the voters voted for him. that's the point, he won the delegates. that's a choice they made. this isn't a top down party where a handful of people pick our nominee in the president. the voters pick him, that's the choice they made. what can i control? that's not something i can control. as speaker of the house, wt canontrolis, can i help add substance to this conversation? can i bring ias to the tabl? can i lead the house republicans to take our contest principles and apply them to the problems of the dayo give people solutionshat improve their lives and try and inject some
substance into this conversatin. here's what i worryabout. i don't worry about what donald trump says and does, i worry about what i can do to make this aetter country, to improve things, to ma this campaign more about substance and ideas. we're trying to add some substance to this conversation so that people know where we're trying to go to get this country fixed. >> when you said you had a duty as speaker of the house, are you implying that congressman paul ryan, ways and means paul ryan-- >> i am the speake of the house, that's my response. i'm not going to go into the hypotheticals. i'm not going to t to disunify our party and override the
republican voters of america, can we add ide, can we bring substance to this conversation? what i want to d is givhe country a clear choice. >> you think you're going to get that election? >> i think we here in the house can offer principles and solutions, and that's what we can control and that's what we're going to continue to doing. >you do have a role at the convention as convention chairman. you had doubts about whether to support trump, you took a month to make that decision, shouldn't delegates if they're having second thoughts about it, have an opportunity to express second thughts about it and let the will of the conventn decide? >> cause of this role i he which i feel has very important responsibilities is to call bas and strikes and just to plt by the rule. soit is not my job to tell
delegates what to do or what t to do. thy haveheir ros, theyake their decisions. i see my rol now given that he's got the plurality, but the last thing i'm going t do is weigh in and tell delegates what to do. >> so i they decide to change the rules, which they can two, you're comfortable with however -- >> you're asking the wrong person, you should ask the party, you should ask the delegates. >> but if you have an opinion -- >> my opinion is not relevant here, i'm not going to tell the deleates how they should do their jobs bause i am chair of th conventi. >> there's a ton of prominent repubcan who is say they're not goingo do it. the governo of maryland and massausetts, do you think it th members in theouse republican conference, follow your cocience, if don't
nto support him, don't do it? >> the last thing i would do is tell somebody to doconscice. this is very unique nominee. but i feel institutionally as speaker of the house to create a chasm in the republican party. i'm not going to tell somebody too against their conscience, what i thi i can control is to help unify us around ideas, around principles and to give the country a better agenda, a better way, solutions, that's what's in my control. and all these things that you're sking me about are things out of my control that i can't spend my time worrying about. >> what can he do to make you more comfortable supporting donald trump. >> i have said this a lot, run a campaign that we can all be proud of, run a -- i i believe
that if we want to be successful and i don't like identity politics, let the left play identity politics, that's their currency. as conservatives, according to our principles, we believe in unifying people, we believe in piration, we believe in making a better path forward. that's the kindf optimistic, inclusive, tone, tempo type of campaign. >> what about donald trump? >> you're going to have to ask m. >> do you thinke can do that? >> he can, it'shether he chooses to two so or not. >> can the spear of the house tell the republcan party that theyave hall pass to -- donald trump was eager to respond. my colleague hallie jackson
caught up with donald trump just before his rally in las vegas. >> what we can do as a party is unify. i want to see spear ryan foson the budget, we need to get the budget down to where it should be. otherwise i have no view on it. >> reporter: does it bother you that the head of the republican party is -- >> you see the crowds i'm getting, you saw last night in houston, you see today in nevada, i think we're going to do very, very well. >> you told me recently that your campaign really hasn't started yet. >> we start pretty much after the convention. >> reporter: why wait? >> i have raised a lot o mey for the party, we' doing very ll. millions of dolls just this week. e's selling herself to wall street and the wall stet fat ts are putting up a lot of money former. i don't want that kind of money. i don't need that money,
frankly, this is like a commercial, but it's tougher than a normal commercial. look, we're going to raise a lot of money, i have raised a lot of money this weekend, i'm raising it for the republican party. if you look at ryan, he'll say we have done an amazing job in a very short period of time. we're going to have a great convention, and we're going to go on to a great cam pain. i tnk i'm a different kind of candidate, paul ryan said that, i'm a different kind of a candidate. i think i can win either way. >> reporter: with them or without them? >> i think i can, because i obviously won the primaries. i'm an outsider and i won the primaries. i do believe we can win either way, but it would be nice if we stuck toth. >> reporter: you talk about republicans, your critics say within your own party, your campaign is not organized well enough, it doesn't have the ney a it doesn't have the infrastructure in the battle ground states, what are you
doing to reassure people in your own party that you can windy? >> if my campaignere short of money, would jt put up my own money. >> reporter: how much? >> i would put up what i need to win. i wouldn't be that generous with it you. people have to put up money, people have to endorse and people have to come through. the one thing we're not doing, i have had so many endorsements, darrell issa called me yesterday. >> reporter: do you think the convention is going to try to overthrow? >> number one they can't do it legally. i worked for one year and we won all of those deletes, almost 1,600, 1,500 to 1,600. remember they said the mt we would get is 1,200, we would be short of the magic number and i got to 1,600. i competed along wh a lot of
establishmenpeople, i beat them all and now a couple of them would like to come in through the backdoor. it's awfully hard when i win, what did n? 37 or38 sttes, i win 38 states and somebody else won none and they're going to be the nominee? i don't think so. coming up, could this dump trump movement actually succeed? and orlando and the renewed debate over guns in america. we're going to hear more from paul ryan on this issue. and we'll hear from loretta lynch about what the ♪ if you have allergy congesti, muddling through your morning is nothing new. ...your nose is the only thing on your mind... ...and to get relief, anything is fair game. introducing rhinoct® allergy spray from the makers of zyrtec®. pownasal allergyfrom yoursymptom*trating ,all day and all night.
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welcome back. our panel is here. katy tur of nbc news who covers the trump campaign with us. as well as bloomberg politics. welcome to all of you. mark halperin, i'll start with you, how real is the dump trump movement inside the republican party? >> it's less likely to happen than to happen. but it's real, because you've got n an attitude within the republican party, at the highest levels that this would be better for the party, one top strategist said that there's a meteore headed towds planet earth, they'll do what they have to do. the k for them is to not let
this be soming seen as led by mitch mcconnell and ml ryan. their hope is that that catches on and they're willing to -- >> i looks organic and that it's grass roots and that the delegates can trump is voters. if the delegates decide to do this they can. there's a real chance if trump continues to be down in the polls, continues to hurt senate candidates and house candidates, continues to not build infrastructure, there's a real chance they'll try to do it. >> what's interesting to me is the chairman of the party appointed to run the rules committee. one is enid nicholson. she is a ted cruz delegate, a long-time member of the utah republican party. and utah not a big fan of donald trump. then the co-chair is ron kaufman, he's a trump delegate. he's a bush guy. so i look at those two and i
think, oh, maybe they are preparing for something. >> i don't know after watching that interview with paul ryan how you can believe that they can make thiseem organ. if youant to lead a movent, you got to have leaders of that movement, i don't think we have leaders in this congress. i don't think they want to not answer. from the grass roots, people are going to reach up and do what the leadership wants has never proven to be true. the republican party is acting like the dremocratic party acts. donald trump has a point, how do you go to cleveland and say, the primariesidn't matter and find somebody else. thas the big flaw in this whole ea. >> thi reminds me of the -- my dad had this, the big comb over. >> where are you going with this? >> the person with the comb overthinks you think it looks
natural, and it really is that way. but when you're looking at the person, you say that's a big comb over. this is organic and it comes from t bottom up, it's a big comb over. we can see it, everybody's goings to see it, and you can say what you wish, if it's coming from all these organized groups, it's a comb over. >> wow. katyou know trump as well as anybody at this table, in a weird way he would relish a fight like this, would. he? >> he's -- for him to embrace the party is not necessarily on message for how he's going about this campaign. he clearly feels uncomfortable with it. that's why you' ee're seeing soh stressnd he's having a hard time saying please give me money, because it's ante to his outsider message. it looks like he's sputtering.
hes a candidatehat once had control of his ideas and his message. and now he's backtrackingan i have talked to a number of republicans who he decided he'sot doing support him. e judge curios comments seem to be hurting him greatly among a certain contingent of his supporters. >> you mentioned his lack of control of this campaign. i want to put up some quick money numbers here, in the tv advertising disparity. people want to say this is only june, this isn't ly june, this is a big moment. you throw in clinton with her $23 million. nody is upith trump stanley cup except for e superpac. look at the disparity that everybody had over romney. and the gap was about $8 million
and everybody was like oh, my god we can't have that again. >> one of the problems here is that it's harder to run against hillary clintons barack obam than it does for hillary clinton to run against hillary clint. as katy was talk about, he's not really good at asking for none. the guy who introduced him trashed him on nafta, and trashed him on immigration and this is a trump supporter. they still wrote the check, but they're not going to stick around. >> he's able to raise money more quickly. >> there's a dispari on ground fors. clinton last month had 700 people in brooklyn. it's grown since then. trump is unconventional. trump has proven he can do things in a different way. but that's part of what's undermined the coidence. >> there's a brand-new clinton
superpac ad against trump and this is what he's dealing with during the next four eks. >> i love war in a certain way, including wit nukes, yes, including with nukes. >> i want to be unpredictable. i'm not going to tell you right now what i'm going to do. >> i know about isis than the generals do, believe me. >> priorities usa action is responsible for the content of this adveising. >> again, unresponded to, at least through the fourth of july and maybe longer. >> on the oth hand this is stuff that the american people have heard about him over and over again and he's won consistently over and over again saying that and a whole lot worse. over and over again he says things that everybody ee ss this is unacceptable. andet he continues to say them. >> that's why i find this talk that he's going to implode in thiseneral election, a little bit ary,ecause ultimately, in august, september,october, vember, december, januar
february, people were saying donald trump coun't possibly win the nomination. so i think it's not a good idea to make these bold predictions. >> it's pretty simple, he needs to do something difernt to convince republicans, grass roots and elites that he's -- mpaign on a different message. he needs a different trajectory, then he can come back. but he needs something different. >> his argument is no. >> it's a new jury, we shall see. quick note, tomorrow we're debuting the first in a three part digital series, it's a feature about the rise in donald trump. for theirst part, the united states of trump is what carewe' calling it. they crunch eed data behind tru supporters and why they like him
and we are back. it's "data download" time. one thing donald trump hadn't cound on was the enthuasm among primary voters would carry over into the general election. we now be seeing a reverse effect. an enthusiasm gap that favors democrats. bad new for trump, but it could mean trouble for republicans up and down the ballot. an nbc news "washington post" poll shows that 65% of republicans view donald trp
unfavorable. hillary clinton's numbers an't eat among democrats, 75%/25%. 1/4 of democrats, but it's better than trump. t a bloomberg politics poll shows that 28% of republicans have an unfavorabl view of their own party rit now. on the other side of the aile, only 4% of democrats feel the same way about their party. why is this significant? because republicans may be less enthusiastic abo voting in the fall and that enthusiasm gap doesn't just hurt trump, it could end up hurting republicans up and down the ballot. a marquette university poll showed 78% of republicans will definitely vote in november, that's a 9% drop since march. party leaders do have reason to worry that their voters might just stay home. and if that happens, a 2-3 point
republican advantage could quickly become a 2-3 point loss on election day in that senate right and while the house majority seems insurmountable right now. those happen when one party simply doesn't show up to the polls. that's what republicansave to fear. when we come back, the renewed debate about guns. loretta lynch talk can you actually love wearing powerful sunscreen? yes! neutrogena® ultra sheer. nother sunscreen works better or feels better. clinically proven helioplex® provides unbeatable uva/uvb protection to help prevent early skin aging and skin cancer all with a clean light feel. for unbeatable protection. it's the one. the best for your skin. ultra sheer®.
welcome back. bigotry, terrorism, guns, these are some of the same topics we were addressing on this very show last year at this exact same time. because of the tragic shooting in charleston, south carolina last year. now we're having the conversation again in the wake of the orlando massacre, where 49 people were killed. at issue was the access to guns, the killer who had previously been interviewed by the fbi and had been on the terrorist watch list in the past used a semi-automatic assault rifle that he bought just days before the massacr. and i's als rebooted the conversation in washington about those who are on that watch list should be able to legally purchase a gun. when i talked to paul ryan on thursday, he seemed open to new legislation. >> the question right now is if someone is on a terror watch list, are the authorities
notified as to whether a person on that list is trying to purchase a gun or not? that is a procedure right now, so the question is, can we make sure that that procedure works the way it's supposed to work. point number two, you don't want to deny a person their right to due process. so we have to concern ourselves with constitution and rights. and we don't want to deny a person's due process rights. that's appointme point number two is, we can't just be very clumsy and rush to judgment and do something that actually harms or ability to do terrorist investses, we're going to take a deep breath and making sure this is done correctly in terms of making sure that authorities know and have te to respond if seone is on a terrorist watch list that they're trying to buy a gun, we have to get that right.
attorney general loretta lynch supports w s one of those measures. madam secretary general, welcome to "meet the pss." let's go to t aually investigation in orlando right now and get any update this is morning. first let me talk about the shooter's wife. are charges going to be brought against her? is she simply helping in this investigation or is she going to have charges brought against her? >> where we are in this investigation is talking to everybody who had contact with th killer. and that of course includes his family members, we're not making any announcements about additional charges, we are focused on leaning as much as wean about the killer's motivations, about his actions and thoughts in the days and months leading up to this attack. >> is she cooperating? >> we're talking to a number of people that includes family members, that includes people who knew him, people who knew of this individual, we're asking them to come forward.
she's in that gamut but we're not making any announcements. >> are y goi to be announcing any new parts of the investigation? >> i'll be going to orlando on tuesday to continue my briefings in the case. actually what we're announcing tomorrow is that the fbi is releasing a partial transcript of the conversation between the negotiators. that will be coming out tomorrow and i'll be headed to orlando on tuesday. >>ncluding the hostage gotiation part of this? >> yes, it will be primarily a partial transcript of its calls with the hostage negotiators. >> you say parable, what's being left out? >> what we're not going to do is further this man's propaganda.
>> we're not going to hear him make his assertions of allegiance and that. it will begin to capture the backnd forth between him and the gotiators, we're trying to get as mh information got this investigation out as possible. as you know, because the killer is dead, we have a built more leeway there and we will be producing that information tomorrow. >> let's talk about the fbi angle to this, obviously they investigated him, interviewed him three times before this took place and then found he was not -- they didn't think he was a serious potential terrorist threat. i know director comey said they're going to go back a see what may have been missed. but is it bigger than what the fbi may havemissed? is the fbi just not able to do a behavioral study? like the fbi's job is to collect facts and make connections, but is a behavioral study harder to do? >> that's why we do the
investigations in the way that we do. that's why when we get information about individuals like mateen, several year ago from co-workers that we open investigations and we in fact takehe te andnterview individuals like that. and i can assure you, had the information developed of his plans, that investigation would have stayed open. >> let's go to the gun issue there, you support -- the justice department came out and endorsed senator feinstein's version of this that would make it so that anybody on these terror watch lists coudn't buy a gun and there wouldn't be any loophole, wouldn't be a small waiting period, it would be a pretty long waiting period. but director comey is a little concerned about this legislation, here's what he said about it a year ago. >> it hasn't been adjudicated in every case that someone is a terrorist that we're investigating. so we don't want to obviously blow our investigation. >> this is the concern of speaker ryan on this, he seems to be open to at least looking
at the legislation. is this a concern of yours? >> we're extremely grateful that in crafting this legislation, congress took into account those conrns that the director expressed more than a year ago. obviously we want to be able to have the tools we need to stop individuals from obtaining guns who should not have them. but we also need to have a prcess, consistent with the law, to protect ongoing investigations and protect sensitive matters. and this amendment does give the department of justice both of those tools. >> let me ask you quickly on the e-mail investigation with hillary clinton. ultimately when the fbi concludes their investigation, it will be up to you perhapso decide whether this goes forward with the prosecution or not. there's going tbe a lot of skepticism that this decision falls on you a political appointee. have you thought got finding a special counsel or somebody else to handle this to make it as clean as you possibly can?
>> career prosecutors and agents, clear from politics, they follow the facts, they follow the law and they'll come to a conclusion and we'll follow the facts and the law as we do in every case. >> so this is not up to you, this decision? >> we don't talk about how we're going to deal with the internal workers of the justice department. but this will be handled like any other matter? >> so there's no any concern in your mind that you need to excuse yourself from this? >>. and when we come back, we're going to dive into the gun debate, the political side of it with our panel. but as we go to break a look here at one of the many memorial services this week, too manyf them, frankly, of the people killed in orlando last week.
this week or not gwen? >> a year ago, charleston, we is since seen san bernardino. not long ago we saw newtown, we have seen this over and over again, auro, schools, bars, it doesn't matter, nothing has actually changed. the conversation this week is about terror watch lists and no fly and not being able to buy a gun if you're on the no-fly list. that doesn't mean that will change something like this and the conversations about gun show loopholes, something which the nra has never budged even half an inch. donald trump says he's going to meet wit the nra, hasn't happened yet. >> in this case it would have made a difference. if you're on a terrorist list, a no-fly list, you couldn't have bought the weapons he bought. >> when was he flying, ever? >> do you do nothing or do you
do something and hope that that something makes a difference? if it's going to be, we're only going to do things that encome bass everything or we don'do anything, then i agree with you, if you have someone that is being investigationed and cn be prohibited from gng to a place and two days later buying a weapon. >> but he wasn't on any of these lists. >> if you go three years deep in that list or something. it does seem as if democrats, you know, republicans, when they have used terrorism they have gotten legislation passed, using the fear of terrorism as a way to get some controversial legislationassed and democrats decided for the first time to merge terrorism and guns gether and run with it. and it did change the rhetoric of the republicans. >> and the lgbt community which is now looking a gun control. if this is going to happen, it's
because the democrats are -- the nra still dominates the house, you saw the interview with paul ryan. the house is going to budges. i c't imagine legislation passing this year. if hillary clinton wins with coat tails a brings in a clear main date. >> you just brought up the gay community and guns, an interesting story about the next movement among gay political activists may be guns. >> what i found fascinating is that there was another call in the "washington post" talking about the same thing, talking abo one-third of americans talking about knowing someone who was a victim of gun violence. if there are more folks who know someone who has been a victim of this, suddenly is legislation could change, in more of a rapid
way than the fight for equality among gays and lesbians. >> it would require a complete change of focus. it's always been aivil rights activism on the part of the lgbt community. i'm not sure that guns qualify in this case. obviously there's grief and there's anger. but i'm not certain. >> let's talk about something that was brought up in the loretta lynch conversation. if the conversation is guns and terrorism, she says there's going to be a partial transcript. and it's one of those things that are thinking -- she doesn't want to reveal how much he talk about other groups. that's going to bother some who think, no, no, n we need to hear everything. >> i thi republicans are going to say we nee to hear everything because we need to hear how much this guy was radicalized. >> what's wrong with hear everything? >> we should know -- this seems to be a terrorism fear and a gun fear. we seem to not think we can have
both conversations. >> and a hate crime issue. >> the republicans believe it's a terror issue and the democrats think it's a gun control issue. >> you can do both, you can tk about both things. >> the pressure because some think it's a manipulation, that the administration doesn't want the public to know how much perhaps, or there will be this oh, my god, you should see what he really said about isis. >> obviofbi director comey, is okay in this? >> i suspect people know that the fbi -- theyade the case that they have been workinging very hard over the years in wahing him. but that's the problem with terrorism, it's not always prdictal. you can't tell who t next lone wolf is going to be. >> the secret service is better at doing behavioral profiling
because they have to do it all th time when there's so much threats to the president, jose. >> i just don't know if you're going to step in every time somebody says something estionable or spid. >> w still have civil liberties in this country. the fbi does need to have more resources and better resources. >> what more could they have done in this specific case? >> i have to say one thing, on june 1, i talked to the president in elkhart, indiana. after we were done with our town hall, he talked to a gun owner, the guy was passionate about how hillary's going to take away our guns and the president responded toe to toe with m. he sd if i was in the situation room and i still can't get congress to move on this issue of not allowing ople on the no-fly list from buying guns. "end game" segment, the washington parlor game, who might run with donald trump?
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he's going to feel the pressure to do it sooner. republican from south dakota in the senate leadership, he says is, there are probably some good oions for him, referring to trump. the question is are there people for whom he is good option? blo is supposed one of thos people that trump would like to ru run with. >> senator corker want -- i'm told that rump is doing a lot of what past presidential candidates have done, he's asking people's opinions, he's hear lots of different names, ople like condoleezza rice that they won't do it. >> in t same way he had released a supreme court nominee list to satisfy conservatives, they know it has to be a conservative that people can rally around. >> it alleviates the concerns of
the republican party. i have spoken to sources at the rnc who say they have no idea who he's going to pick. they have no idea what's going on at this point. they have circled the wagons, corker was high on that li, bu corker is saying he's concened. t the list is narrowingown to a very small group of people. newt gingrich and scott brown. it's not the more established establishment figures that the party nominee would have wanted there mary fallon that has been thrown into the x. >> people have said that naming a woman would lo like he's pandering. and he doesn't want to look like apanderer. >> in this unusual electoral season, isn't it odd that there aren't a lot of people willing to take the number two slot of
one of the main parties? >> he must pick a conservative. but also the people at the top of the party say he must pick someone unambiguously qualifi and some of the names you mentioned would not take it. but they have to be loyal. he's notoing to pick somedy who's not loyal. >> he spent a lot of time talking about the vice presidency and we just love to do this. apparently he met back stage in las vegas with the head of the republican party in utah who said we have to go to plan tea, how to deal with the downballot races, and this is a guy who spoke face to fe with trump. >> before a guy wehought tt would be on the vice presidential st is marco rubio. mr. miami, what do you hear? ihink he's going to run and i think he's going to do shortly and he's been mulling it over and i think he's come to the realization that florida is the
bla place that he could still win and he's not running, then florida may go democrat. >> high risk that he loses to bad ings. trump cld beat him twice. and as he's trying to game it out. at close to the top of the list of reasons not to do it, every day he'll be asked about donald trump. is that the way he wants to have his career potentially end? more likely than not he can win. and nothing makes it tougher than donald trump. >> he needs a platfor of some kind. and a corner office at a lobbying firm is not t platform. >> but republicans need -- >> if anybody can overperform trump by 4 or 5 points, it's mitch mcconnell.
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